Fakes, reproductions, replicas,
an investigative report, by Harry Ridgeway
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Fakes, reproductions, replicas, |
Fakes, reproductions,
replicas,
CSA rectangle belt plate,
Atlanta style, Confederate plates 084 to 101
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Originals are known for distinct boxey letters, sand cast plates with many variants. This is one of the most popular plates from the Civil War and possibly the most faked.
F1002
Atlanta style CSA rectangle, made by Hanover Brass
"This reproduction CSA Belt plate is a MUST for anyone who enjoys civil war
belt buckles. It is cast in red brass and as close as you will get to the
original. The original was dug by Gary Williams from the Cold Harbor battlefield
in 1970. A very nice reproduction to wear or collect. Looking at the front you
think you have the real deal. Marked as a reproduction."
Source ebay auction by jaglady00 3/12/06 "" Atlanta Style "CSA Belt Buckle Plate Item number: 6611623963"
Editor note: "jaglady00" is Hanover Brass, items sold as reproductions.
F1053
Atlanta style CSA (another
pattern) manufactured by Hanover Brass
"This reproduction CSA plate was cast from an original. This was a popular
type used during the Civil War. This auction includes 7 CSA uniform coat buttons
to match the belt plate, also reproduction and sand cast in red brass and hand
finished by Hanover Brass. Buckle also cast in red brass for a matched set.
Wearable or wonderful Collection Display."
Source: ebay auction by jaglady00 4/21/06 "1861-1865 CSA Belt Buckle Plate includes 7 CSA buttons Item number: 6622555410"
Editor note: "jaglady00" is Hanover Brass, items sold as reproductions. Notice that they are cast CSA buttons too!
F1142
Atlanta style CSA (another
pattern) manufactured by Hanover Brass
This reproduction CSA Belt plate is a MUST for anyone who enjoys civil war belt buckles. It is cast in red brass and as close as you will get to the original. The original was dug by Gary Williams from the Cold Harbor battlefield in 1970. A very nice reproduction to wear or collect. Looking at the front you think you have the real deal. Marked as a reproduction
Source ebay auction by jaglady00 6/1/06, " Atlanta Style "CSA Belt Buckle Plate Item number: 6633172056
Editor note: "jaglady00" is Hanover Brass, items sold as reproductions. They say in their ads that these are marked as reproduction. However there are no such marks in the picture and many are showing up in collections without such marks. Even those that are marked are marked as lightly as possible so that any identifying marks can be easily removed or obscured. Some manufacturing flaws in the pattern may be unique, but will only be recognized by a minority of collectors, and even many of those can be easily altered or obscured as part of the manufacturing or finishing process. This is one of the most faked of patterns, isn't it remarkable that so many of these "repros" ended up being fakes!
F1059
Atlanta style CSA, appears to be
repro
"Measures 48mm wide, its just a fart skin over 69mm over all. Hooks are
nice and long. Top hook slightly off set to the right as it should be. Nice rich
red brass patina. The reason for making this a privet auction. I wish protect my
buyers from bogus second chance offers other forms of bidder harassment. I
grantee this buckle it to be authentic and will put a notarized letter behind
it. You will have 7-day inspection period. If for any reason, you don�t like
the buckle during this time period.I will refund your money back to you, As long
as the buckle is returned in the same condition as sent. It should not be rubbed
or adulterated in any way. Please write with if you have any questions."
Source: ebay auction by tricitytrader 1/28/06 "Atlanta Arsenal style buckle Item number: 6599271207"
Editor note: This seller sells on ebay auction under "Private Auction". It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic. This appears to be match of Hanover Brass buckle F1002.
Editor note: I was given opportunity to examine this plate and can report that I measure it as 48.3mm X 69.3mm. It has a beautiful patina, which means that it has been very skillfully aged. It is my opinion, on examination, that the piece is a repro. 11/18/06
F1130
CSA buckle
bullet struck
"WHAT I HAVE UP FOR AUCTION RIGHT NOW IS A 100% GUARANTEED GENUINE GENUINE
CIVIL WAR CSA CONFEDERATE ATLANTA ARSENAL BULLET STRUCK PLATE. THIS IS A VERY
UNIQUE PLATE AND IT WAS DUG BY MY LATE GRANDFATHER NEAR WILLIAMSBURG VA IN THE
LATE 1960's. I HAVE HAD THIS IN MY FAMILY SINCE THAT TIME BUT WE HAVE DECIDED TO
SELL THIS PIECE OFF TO HELP WITH A FAMILY EMERGENCY. THIS PLATE HAS THE CORRECT
DIMENSIONS ACCORDING TO THE MULLINAX BUCKLE BOOK. NICE RICH DUG PATINA. 100%
GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC OR YOUR MONEY BACK. I REALLY REALLY HATE TO SELL THIS PIECE
AS IT IS A RICH FAMILY HEIRLOOM, BUT HEY, MY LOSS IS SOMEONE ELSE GAIN. PRICED
VERY AFFORDABLE FOR SUCH A RARE RELIC. US SHIPPING WILL BE $8.00
Source: ebay auction by poorboyzhotrodz 7/12/06 GENUINE CONFEDERATE ATLANTA ARSENAL BULLET STRUCK PLATE CSA RECTANGLE ATLANTA ARSENAL BUCKLE WILLIAMSBURG DUG Item number: 260005395053
Editor note: This seller sells on ebay auction under "Private Auction". It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic. The same pics and same description was used by the following auction by vintage_comics_and_collectibles, 9/24/06 "CIVIL WAR CONFEDERATE RECTANGLE BULLET STRUCK PLATE ATLANTA ARSENAL STYLE BUCKLE, WILLIAMSBURG DUG Item number: 250030391664
F1145
Atlanta style CSA
"Up for auction is a nice Confederate States of America CSA beltplate buckle.
It is a dug buckle and has heavy patina. Apparent casting flaw on the S.
Measures 47 x 69 mm."
Source: ebay auction by plasticfanatic1 7/22/06 " Confederate CSA Civil War belt plate buckle No Reserve Item number: 270010700974"
Editor note: This seller sells on ebay auction under "Private Auction". It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic. This appears to be a highly treated and damaged example of the Hanover Brass pattern.
F1165
Atlanta style CSA
"This buckle came from an Idaho estate sale and someone has cleaned part
of it, but you can still see age and batina on the back , and the center of the
C It measures 1 7/8 by 2 13/16 one of the clasps is about half gone (see pic.) I
believe it to be real, but will accept return incl. postage within 10 days I
dont know what the writing on the back (things assoc. or thinnis assoc. ) means.
I have been informed by mark that Things assoc. means reproduction from
1961"
ebay auction by roreyr, 8/11/06 "CSA confederate belt buckle things assoc. NR Idaho Item number: 230015267212"
Editor note. This is honest auction, seller noted that it is repro. I don't know if this is centennial repro (1960's) or it could be Hollywood (1930's).
F1177
Atlanta style CSA
"Very nice CSA Confederate brass belt plate. Correct chocolate brown
patina. 2 1/2" wide. Hooks on the back are very strong. Marked 1864 on the
back. A great addition to your collection. Please email any questions you may
have. A fine old replica. Thanks for looking!"
Source: ebay auction by relichuntersofvirginia, 7/22/06, "Confederate Belt Plate CSA Brass Chocolate Patina 1864 Item number: 160008730980"
Editor note: This seller sells on ebay auction under "Private Auction". This may be one of the old Bannerman castings, now aged. It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic.
F1178
Atlanta style CSA
"Confederate Civil War CSA Belt Buckle Found in Tennessee! 100%
Authentic Guaranteed! !!!Very Old and Very Collectible!!! This
auction is for a very nice and rare Confederate Civil War Belt Buckle. This belt
buckle measures 2 and 1/2 inches wide and 1 and 1/6 inches tall. This is an item
from my personal collection and I guarantee that they are 100% Authentic."
Source: ebay auction by waynegrm, 7/16/06 " Civil War Artifacts-Relics-Confederate CSA Belt Buckle *Guaranteed Authentic* *Nice Quality Civil War Relic* Item number: 130007436243"
Editor note, this may be one of the old Bannerman castings. It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic.
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CSA Buckle, may be Bannerman manufacture |
| FP0731 |
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CSA Bannerman altered to pass as a fake |
| FP0732 |
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CSA buckle, may be Bannerman manufacture |
F1133
CSA
rectangle buckle
"This is a beautiful example of the Atlanta Arsenal style CSA rectangular belt
plate. It measures 70mm x 48mm and is a pretty close match to Plate 084 on page
53 of the expanded volume of Mullinax's book. This plate appears to be all but
unused and perhaps unissued. It is made from the typical coppery bronze brass of
Confederate castings, shows scattered small casting flaws and light file
finishing marks. This came from a defunct GAR collection from Peoria, Illinois
some years ago and as such was once painted with a gold wash paint so typical of
many GAR collections. The gold paint was their answer to preventing the brass
from tarnishing. The gold paint has pretty much worn off the front except in
some of the low areas, but the back still retains a good bit of the gold wash,
probably because it was protected. The story that came with this was that it was
a souvenir picked up by an Illinois soldier in Atlanta after the city fell. No
way to document that now. Regardless, it is a nice plate. I'm selling because
I'm getting on in years and I have tuition to pay for. Minimal reserve to cover
my initial investment. I know there are all those "experts" out there
who can discern such a great deal from photographs, who will say this is a
repro. OK, it's a repro. Make your own judgement. It came to me from a reputable
source and I put it out there for those who might be interested. Buyer pays
shipping of $4.50, insurance at your request. The pictures tell the story."
Source: ebay auction by cracktick 7/1/06, "Excellent Atlanta Arsenal Style CSA Rectangular Plate Item number: 320001093367"
Editor note: This seller sells on ebay auction under "Private Auction" . It is highly doubtful this piece can be shown to be authentic.
F1262
CSA
Rectangle
Source: Pictures of this buckle were submitted to me for
evaluation. I do not have measurements.
Editor note: I do not know who made this buckle, but it is very sloppy construction, hooks do not seem right. Without size information, we are guessing, but it is unlikely this buckle can be shown to be authentic.
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